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Beginner’s Mind: Yoga, Stress, and Self-Discovery with Veronique Ory · The Living Conversation

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  I'm
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  Anthony
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  Wright
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  and
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  I
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  am
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  your
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  co
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  host
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  today
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  on
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  the
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  Living
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  Conversation
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  with
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  Adam
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  Dietz.
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  Welcome.
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  And
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  we
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  are
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  here
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  with
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  our
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  guest,
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  Veronik
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  Ori.
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  And
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  welcome,
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  Veronique.
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  Thank
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  you
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  so
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  much.
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  Happy
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  to
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  be
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  here.
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  And
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  you
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  are
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  a
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  yoga
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  teacher
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  that
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  lives
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  in
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  Florida,
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  but
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  you
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  do
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  retreats.
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  I'm
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  curious
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  about
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  how
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  did
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  you
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  come
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  to
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  yoga
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  and
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  what
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  is
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  yoga?
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  I
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  mean,
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  everybody
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  knows
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  about
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  like
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  downward
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  dog
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  and
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  you
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  know,
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  full
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  lotus
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  position,
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  but
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  it's
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  so
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  much
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  more
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  than
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  that.
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  It
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  sure
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  is,
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  yeah,
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  it's,
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  it's
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  wild.
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  When
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  I
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  was
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  initially
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  telling
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  the
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  story
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  of
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  how
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  I
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  came
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  into
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  the
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  yoga
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  practice,
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  I
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  would
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  go
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  to
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  the
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  most
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  present
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  incarnation
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  of
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  finding
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  a
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  yoga
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  class
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  in
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  New
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  York
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  City,
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  which
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  was
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  an
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  asana
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  class,
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  which
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  is
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  very
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  much
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  what
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  we
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  are
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  accustomed
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  to
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  seeing
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  in
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  the
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  west
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  of
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  you
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  go
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  to
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  a
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  place
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  and
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  there's
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  mats
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  laid
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  out
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  on
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  the
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  floor
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  and
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  you're
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  assuming
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  shapes
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  with
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  your
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  body.
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  Whether
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  it's
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  something
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  more
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  restorative
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  or
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  more
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  energetic,
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  there's
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  a
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  certain
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  physical
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  attention
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  to
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  that.
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  And
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  then
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  as
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  I've
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  been
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  reflecting
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  back
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  on
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  when
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  it
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  first
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  actually
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  landed,
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  I
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  remembered
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  that
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  I
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  was
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  a
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  nanny
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  for
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  a
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  family
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  when
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  I
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  lived
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  in
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  Los
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  angeles
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  in
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  my
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  20s
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  and
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  the
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  Father
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  led
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  meditation
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  retreats.
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  And
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  I
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  remembered,
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  oh,
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  right,
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  that
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  was
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  actually
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  my
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  entry
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  point
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  was
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  a
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  silent
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  retreat
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  at
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  the
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  Esalen
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  Institute
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  in
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  Big
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  Sur,
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  California.
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  And
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  it
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  was
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  so
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  fantastic.
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  I
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  felt
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  it
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  to
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  be
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  so
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  liberating.
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  Walking
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  meditation,
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  seated
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  meditation,
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  silent
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  meals.
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  I
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  felt
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  even
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  my
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  20
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  year
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  old
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  brain
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  was
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  just
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  so
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  liberated
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  by,
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  oh,
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  all
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  I
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  need
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  to
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  focus
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  on
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  is
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  my,
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  my
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  breath
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  and
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  this
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  moment
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  or,
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  you
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  know,
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  this
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  thing
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  that
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  I'm
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  eating.
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  And.
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  And
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  then
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  it
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  wasn't
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  actually
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  until
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  many,
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  many
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  years
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  that
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  I
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  put
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  that
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  together.
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  And
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  so
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  it
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  was,
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  it
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  was
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  really
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  illuminating
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  because
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  the
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  physical
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  practice
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  actually
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  was
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  always
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  very
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  intimidating
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  to
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  me.
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  I
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  had
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  actually
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  tried
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  to
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  go
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  to
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  classes
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  when
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  I
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  first
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  was
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  living
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  in
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  Los
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  Angeles
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  and
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  I
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  remember
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  I
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  had
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  an
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  experience
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  Maybe
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  in
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  my
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  mid-20s
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  where
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  a
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  friend
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  brought
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  me
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  to
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  a
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  class
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  and
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  I
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  thought
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  I
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  did
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  okay.
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  And
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  then
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  the
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  teacher
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  came
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  up
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  to
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  me
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  afterwards
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  and
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  he
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  said,
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  oh,
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  actually
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  the
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  beginner
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  class
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  is
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  at
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  a
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  different
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  time.
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  And
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  I
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  was
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  so
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  embarrassed.
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  And
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  then
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  I
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  was
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  like
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  telling
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  that
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  story
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  for
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  many
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  years
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  of
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  oh
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  yeah,
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  I
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  didn't
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  feel
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  welcome.
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  Then
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  of
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  course,
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  in
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  the
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  years
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  that
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  follow,
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  why
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  should
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  I
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  be
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  offended
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  that
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  he
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  was
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  asking
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  me
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  to
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  go
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  to
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  a
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  beginner
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  class
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  when
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  in
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  fact
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  I
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  was
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  a
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  beginner?
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  Why
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  are
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  we
• 3:20
  not
• 3:20
  embracing
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  being
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  a
• 3:21
  beginner
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  when
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  actually
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  in
• 3:25
  the
• 3:25
  expert's
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  mind,
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  the
• 3:26
  possibilities
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  are
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  few?
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  The
• 3:30
  Meditation
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  of
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  the
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  moment
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  is
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  to
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  seek
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  to
• 3:32
  be
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  a
• 3:32
  beginner
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  in
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  all
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  things,
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  right?
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  So
• 3:35
  picking
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  up
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  the
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  guitar
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  at
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  any
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  age
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  or
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  seeking
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  things
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  that
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  we
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  want
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  to
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  learn
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  and
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  not
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  doing
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  it
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  perfectly
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  and
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  just
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  being
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  in
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  that
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  curiosity
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  space,
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  it's
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  very
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  freeing.
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  There's
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  so
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  much
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  in
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  the
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  ether
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  these
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  days
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  of
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  perfectionism
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  and
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  this
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  pride
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  that
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  we
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  hold
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  on
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  doing
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  things
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  right.
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  But
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  it's
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  all
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  contingent
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  on
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  what
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  we
• 4:07
  believe
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  other
• 4:08
  people's
• 4:08
  expectations
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  are
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  of
• 4:10
  where
• 4:10
  we
• 4:11
  are
• 4:12
  based
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  on
• 4:13
  our
• 4:13
  age
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  and
• 4:14
  where
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  we
• 4:15
  lived
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  and
• 4:16
  all
• 4:16
  of
• 4:17
  these
• 4:17
  different
• 4:17
  titles
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  that
• 4:18
  we
• 4:19
  grasp
• 4:20
  onto
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  in
• 4:21
  a
• 4:21
  way
• 4:21
  that
• 4:22
  contextualizes
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  our
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  expertise
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  in
• 4:25
  any
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  given
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  given
• 4:26
  space.
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  And
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  so
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  as
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  I've
• 4:29
  moved
• 4:29
  through
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  the
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  yoga
• 4:30
  practice,
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  through
• 4:32
  meditation,
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  through
• 4:33
  the
• 4:34
  physical
• 4:34
  practice,
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  there's
• 4:35
  so
• 4:35
  much
• 4:35
  in
• 4:36
  the
• 4:36
  philosophical
• 4:37
  practice,
• 4:38
  in
• 4:39
  these
• 4:39
  different
• 4:39
  mind
• 4:40
  meals
• 4:40
  of
• 4:41
  who
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  am
• 4:42
  I?
• 4:43
  What
• 4:43
  are
• 4:43
  we
• 4:43
  doing
• 4:44
  here,
• 4:44
  right?
• 4:45
  All
• 4:45
  of
• 4:46
  these
• 4:47
  large
• 4:47
  questions
• 4:48
  that
• 4:49
  maybe
• 4:49
  don't
• 4:49
  even
• 4:50
  need
• 4:50
  an
• 4:50
  answer
• 4:51
  but
• 4:52
  in
• 4:53
  the
• 4:53
  inquiry
• 4:54
  of
• 4:54
  it,
• 4:54
  of
• 4:55
  what
• 4:55
  can
• 4:55
  we
• 4:55
  open
• 4:56
  up
• 4:57
  in,
• 4:58
  in
• 4:58
  the
• 4:58
  space
• 4:59
  that's
• 4:59
  beyond
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  what
• 5:00
  we
• 5:00
  can
• 5:00
  understand
• 5:01
  with
• 5:01
  the
• 5:01
  senses
• 5:03
  and
• 5:03
  that's
• 5:04
  just
• 5:05
  really
• 5:05
  awe
• 5:05
  inspiring
• 5:06
  where
• 5:06
  we
• 5:07
  can
• 5:07
  let
• 5:07
  go
• 5:07
  of,
• 5:08
  okay,
• 5:09
  I'm
• 5:09
  experiencing
• 5:10
  this
• 5:10
  in
• 5:10
  this
• 5:10
  physical
• 5:11
  body.
• 5:13
  However,
• 5:14
  what
• 5:14
  I
• 5:15
  think
• 5:15
  is
• 5:15
  true,
• 5:16
  let
• 5:16
  me
• 5:17
  question
• 5:17
  that
• 5:18
  and
• 5:19
  maybe
• 5:20
  start
• 5:20
  to
• 5:20
  parse
• 5:21
  out
• 5:22
  truth
• 5:22
  versus
• 5:24
  opinion.
• 5:25
  Do
• 5:25
  I
• 5:25
  believe
• 5:26
  this
• 5:27
  based
• 5:28
  on
• 5:28
  my
• 5:29
  previous
• 5:31
  information
• 5:32
  that
• 5:32
  I've
• 5:32
  been
• 5:32
  given
• 5:33
  or
• 5:35
  is
• 5:35
  that
• 5:36
  malleable?
• 5:36
  Is
• 5:36
  that
• 5:37
  something
• 5:37
  that
• 5:37
  can
• 5:38
  shape
• 5:38
  shift
• 5:38
  over
• 5:39
  time?
• 5:40
  And
• 5:41
  I
• 5:41
  think
• 5:41
  the
• 5:41
  physical
• 5:42
  practice
• 5:42
  of
• 5:43
  yoga
• 5:43
  is
• 5:44
  a
• 5:44
  really
• 5:44
  phenomenal
• 5:45
  portal
• 5:46
  into
• 5:46
  the
• 5:47
  self
• 5:48
  and
• 5:48
  that
• 5:48
  was
• 5:49
  the
• 5:49
  original
• 5:50
  construct
• 5:50
  is
• 5:51
  let
• 5:51
  this
• 5:52
  be
• 5:52
  a
• 5:52
  portal
• 5:53
  towards
• 5:53
  meditation,
• 5:54
  towards
• 5:55
  these
• 5:56
  different
• 5:56
  limbs
• 5:56
  of
• 5:57
  the
• 5:57
  yoga
• 5:57
  practice
• 5:58
  so
• 5:58
  that
• 5:58
  we
• 5:58
  can
• 5:59
  practice
• 5:59
  non
• 5:59
  attachment,
• 6:00
  that
• 6:00
  we
• 6:01
  can
• 6:01
  practice
• 6:02
  our
• 6:02
  different
• 6:03
  levels
• 6:03
  of
• 6:04
  concentration,
• 6:05
  that
• 6:05
  we
• 6:05
  can
• 6:06
  look
• 6:06
  at
• 6:07
  these
• 6:07
  different
• 6:08
  moral
• 6:09
  beliefs
• 6:10
  and,
• 6:10
  and
• 6:11
  see,
• 6:11
  okay,
• 6:12
  where
• 6:13
  is
• 6:14
  the,
• 6:15
  the
• 6:15
  thought,
• 6:16
  the
• 6:16
  word,
• 6:16
  the
• 6:16
  action,
• 6:17
  correlation
• 6:18
  in
• 6:19
  nonviolence
• 6:21
  and
• 6:21
  truthfulness,
• 6:23
  all
• 6:23
  of
• 6:23
  these
• 6:23
  different
• 6:24
  aspects
• 6:26
  and
• 6:26
  we
• 6:27
  get
• 6:27
  to
• 6:28
  play
• 6:28
  with
• 6:28
  those
• 6:28
  edges.
• 6:29
  I
• 6:29
  think
• 6:29
  there's
• 6:29
  been
• 6:30
  this
• 6:30
  over
• 6:32
  sense
• 6:32
  of
• 6:33
  comfort
• 6:34
  in
• 6:34
  modern
• 6:34
  life.
• 6:35
  A
• 6:35
  lot
• 6:35
  of
• 6:35
  us
• 6:36
  have
• 6:36
  the
• 6:36
  ability
• 6:37
  to
• 6:38
  set
• 6:38
  our
• 6:38
  thermostat
• 6:39
  to
• 6:39
  a
• 6:39
  certain
• 6:40
  specific
• 6:40
  temperature
• 6:43
  or
• 6:44
  whatever
• 6:44
  the
• 6:44
  comfort
• 6:45
  level
• 6:45
  is
• 6:45
  that
• 6:46
  you're
• 6:46
  in
• 6:47
  depending
• 6:47
  on
• 6:47
  where
• 6:47
  in
• 6:48
  the
• 6:48
  world
• 6:48
  you're
• 6:48
  tuning
• 6:49
  in
• 6:49
  from.
• 6:50
  And,
• 6:51
  and
• 6:51
  what
• 6:52
  is
• 6:52
  so
• 6:52
  I
• 6:53
  think
• 6:54
  revolutionary
• 6:55
  about
• 6:55
  the
• 6:55
  yoga
• 6:56
  practice
• 6:56
  is
• 6:56
  that
• 6:57
  we
• 6:57
  are
• 6:58
  finding
• 6:59
  ways
• 6:59
  to
• 7:00
  apply
• 7:01
  stress
• 7:02
  to
• 7:02
  the
• 7:02
  body,
• 7:03
  the
• 7:03
  mind,
• 7:03
  the
• 7:03
  spirit
• 7:04
  on
• 7:04
  purpose.
• 7:05
  And
• 7:05
  how
• 7:05
  do
• 7:05
  we
• 7:06
  breathe
• 7:06
  when
• 7:07
  we
• 7:07
  are
• 7:07
  stressed.
• 7:08
  And
• 7:08
  so
• 7:08
  it's
• 7:09
  this
• 7:11
  reverse
• 7:12
  of,
• 7:12
  of
• 7:13
  perhaps
• 7:13
  what
• 7:14
  we
• 7:14
  think,
• 7:14
  oh,
• 7:15
  I
• 7:15
  don't
• 7:15
  want
• 7:15
  conflict,
• 7:16
  I
• 7:16
  want,
• 7:16
  I
• 7:17
  don't
• 7:17
  want
• 7:17
  there
• 7:17
  to
• 7:17
  be
• 7:17
  discord,
• 7:18
  I
• 7:18
  want
• 7:18
  there
• 7:19
  to
• 7:19
  be
• 7:19
  Peace.
• 7:20
  And
• 7:21
  yet
• 7:21
  we
• 7:21
  can't
• 7:21
  have
• 7:22
  peace
• 7:23
  without
• 7:23
  the
• 7:23
  suffering.
• 7:24
  We
• 7:25
  can't
• 7:25
  have
• 7:25
  the
• 7:26
  comfort
• 7:26
  without
• 7:26
  the
• 7:27
  discomfort.
• 7:27
  We
• 7:27
  need
• 7:28
  those
• 7:28
  opposites
• 7:29
  in
• 7:29
  order
• 7:29
  to
• 7:30
  orient
• 7:31
  to
• 7:31
  where
• 7:32
  we
• 7:32
  are.
• 7:33
  And
• 7:33
  so
• 7:34
  part
• 7:34
  of
• 7:34
  what
• 7:34
  I've
• 7:35
  been
• 7:35
  playing
• 7:35
  with
• 7:35
  is
• 7:35
  actually
• 7:36
  seeking
• 7:36
  for
• 7:37
  edges.
• 7:37
  Almost
• 7:38
  like,
• 7:38
  you
• 7:38
  know,
• 7:38
  you're
• 7:39
  swimming
• 7:39
  laps
• 7:40
  as
• 7:40
  a
• 7:40
  swimmer,
• 7:41
  you
• 7:41
  want
• 7:41
  that
• 7:42
  edge
• 7:42
  to
• 7:42
  push
• 7:42
  off
• 7:43
  of.
• 7:43
  And
• 7:44
  that's
• 7:44
  where
• 7:44
  we
• 7:45
  can
• 7:45
  start
• 7:45
  to
• 7:46
  really
• 7:47
  cultivate
• 7:47
  these
• 7:47
  different
• 7:49
  layers
• 7:49
  of
• 7:50
  growth
• 7:50
  in
• 7:51
  our
• 7:51
  personal
• 7:53
  evolution.
• 7:55
  The
• 7:55
  hope
• 7:55
  is
• 7:55
  that
• 7:55
  we
• 7:56
  get
• 7:56
  more
• 7:56
  and
• 7:56
  more
• 7:56
  awake
• 7:57
  to
• 7:58
  how
• 7:58
  we
• 7:59
  can
• 7:59
  navigate
• 7:59
  through
• 8:01
  all
• 8:01
  of
• 8:01
  the
• 8:01
  things
• 8:02
  that
• 8:02
  we
• 8:03
  have
• 8:03
  been
• 8:03
  moving
• 8:04
  through.
• 8:04
  It's
• 8:04
  been
• 8:05
  definitely
• 8:05
  a
• 8:05
  tumultuous
• 8:06
  time,
• 8:06
  individually
• 8:07
  and
• 8:07
  collectively.
• 8:08
  And
• 8:09
  having
• 8:09
  ways
• 8:10
  to
• 8:10
  move
• 8:10
  through
• 8:11
  that
• 8:11
  with
• 8:11
  as
• 8:11
  much
• 8:12
  grace
• 8:12
  and
• 8:12
  compassion
• 8:13
  as
• 8:13
  possible
• 8:14
  to
• 8:14
  come
• 8:15
  back
• 8:15
  to
• 8:15
  that
• 8:15
  unity.
• 8:17
  That's
• 8:18
  really
• 8:20
  some
• 8:20
  brushstrokes
• 8:21
  about
• 8:21
  the
• 8:21
  yoga
• 8:21
  practice.
• 8:24
  And
• 8:24
  it
• 8:24
  really
• 8:24
  is
• 8:25
  about
• 8:25
  developing
• 8:25
  flexibility
• 8:26
  with
• 8:27
  the
• 8:27
  body.
• 8:28
  But
• 8:28
  do
• 8:28
  you
• 8:28
  find
• 8:29
  that
• 8:30
  the
• 8:30
  flexibility
• 8:32
  in
• 8:32
  the
• 8:32
  body
• 8:32
  and
• 8:33
  the
• 8:33
  flexibility
• 8:33
  of
• 8:34
  awareness
• 8:35
  kind
• 8:35
  of
• 8:35
  go,
• 8:36
  as
• 8:36
  it
• 8:36
  were,
• 8:36
  hand
• 8:37
  in
• 8:37
  hand?
• 8:39
  Yeah,
• 8:40
  it's
• 8:41
  wild.
• 8:41
  So
• 8:42
  a
• 8:42
  lot
• 8:42
  of
• 8:42
  the
• 8:43
  time
• 8:43
  when
• 8:44
  someone
• 8:44
  learns
• 8:44
  that
• 8:45
  I
• 8:45
  teach
• 8:46
  yoga,
• 8:47
  the
• 8:48
  number
• 8:48
  one
• 8:48
  objection
• 8:49
  is,
• 8:49
  oh,
• 8:49
  I
• 8:50
  can't
• 8:50
  do
• 8:50
  yoga
• 8:51
  because
• 8:51
  I'm
• 8:51
  not
• 8:51
  flexible.
• 8:53
  And
• 8:53
  really
• 8:54
  that's
• 8:54
  the
• 8:55
  reason
• 8:56
  to
• 8:56
  practice.
• 8:58
  We're
• 8:58
  actually
• 8:58
  all
• 8:59
  born
• 8:59
  very
• 9:00
  malleable,
• 9:01
  flexible
• 9:02
  beings.
• 9:02
  Like
• 9:02
  if
• 9:03
  you've
• 9:03
  ever
• 9:03
  seen
• 9:04
  a
• 9:04
  baby,
• 9:06
  I've
• 9:06
  never
• 9:06
  seen
• 9:06
  a
• 9:07
  baby
• 9:07
  that's
• 9:07
  like
• 9:08
  with
• 9:08
  tight
• 9:09
  hamstrings,
• 9:09
  you
• 9:09
  know
• 9:10
  what
• 9:10
  I
• 9:10
  mean?
• 9:11
  We
• 9:11
  learn
• 9:12
  these
• 9:12
  things
• 9:13
  as
• 9:13
  we
• 9:14
  age.
• 9:14
  And
• 9:15
  there's
• 9:15
  actually
• 9:15
  a
• 9:16
  lot
• 9:16
  of
• 9:16
  research
• 9:16
  to
• 9:17
  show
• 9:17
  that
• 9:17
  the
• 9:17
  things
• 9:18
  that
• 9:18
  we
• 9:18
  do
• 9:18
  physically
• 9:19
  before
• 9:20
  puberty
• 9:21
  sort
• 9:21
  of
• 9:21
  indicate
• 9:22
  the
• 9:23
  amount
• 9:23
  of
• 9:23
  malleability
• 9:24
  that
• 9:24
  we
• 9:24
  have
• 9:24
  in
• 9:25
  our
• 9:25
  body
• 9:25
  in
• 9:25
  adulthood.
• 9:26
  Which
• 9:26
  isn't
• 9:26
  to
• 9:27
  say
• 9:27
  that
• 9:27
  it
• 9:27
  can't
• 9:27
  change.
• 9:28
  I've
• 9:28
  definitely
• 9:29
  had
• 9:29
  clients
• 9:29
  where
• 9:31
  when
• 9:31
  I
• 9:31
  started
• 9:33
  practicing
• 9:34
  with
• 9:34
  them,
• 9:35
  they
• 9:35
  weren't
• 9:35
  able
• 9:36
  to,
• 9:37
  when
• 9:37
  they're
• 9:37
  laying
• 9:37
  down
• 9:37
  on
• 9:38
  their
• 9:38
  back
• 9:38
  to
• 9:38
  put
• 9:38
  their
• 9:39
  arms
• 9:39
  on
• 9:39
  the
• 9:40
  ground
• 9:40
  because
• 9:40
  there's
• 9:41
  so
• 9:41
  much
• 9:41
  built
• 9:42
  up
• 9:42
  in
• 9:42
  the
• 9:42
  shoulders,
• 9:43
  for
• 9:44
  example,
• 9:44
  or,
• 9:45
  you
• 9:45
  know,
• 9:46
  in,
• 9:46
  in
• 9:47
  the
• 9:47
  yoga
• 9:47
  practice,
• 9:48
  easy
• 9:48
  seat,
• 9:49
  which
• 9:49
  isn't
• 9:49
  easy
• 9:50
  for
• 9:50
  many
• 9:50
  of
• 9:50
  us
• 9:51
  to
• 9:51
  sit
• 9:51
  on
• 9:51
  the
• 9:51
  floor
• 9:52
  cross
• 9:52
  legged,
• 9:53
  that
• 9:53
  can
• 9:53
  be
• 9:54
  very
• 9:54
  painful
• 9:54
  for
• 9:55
  most
• 9:55
  people.
• 9:57
  So
• 9:57
  finding
• 9:57
  ways
• 9:58
  where
• 9:58
  you
• 9:59
  can
• 9:59
  put
• 9:59
  cushions
• 10:00
  under
• 10:00
  the
• 10:01
  body,
• 10:02
  under
• 10:03
  the
• 10:03
  legs,
• 10:04
  different
• 10:04
  ways
• 10:04
  to
• 10:05
  orient
• 10:05
  having
• 10:05
  your
• 10:06
  back
• 10:06
  against
• 10:07
  a
• 10:08
  wall
• 10:08
  or,
• 10:09
  you
• 10:09
  know,
• 10:09
  a
• 10:09
  piece
• 10:10
  of
• 10:10
  furniture
• 10:10
  or
• 10:11
  something,
• 10:12
  because
• 10:13
  whatever
• 10:13
  it
• 10:14
  is
• 10:14
  that
• 10:14
  we're
• 10:14
  attuning
• 10:15
  to,
• 10:16
  we
• 10:17
  lean
• 10:17
  more
• 10:18
  into
• 10:18
  that.
• 10:18
  Right?
• 10:19
  So,
• 10:20
  you
• 10:20
  know,
• 10:20
  take
• 10:21
  if
• 10:21
  you
• 10:21
  were
• 10:22
  going
• 10:22
  to
• 10:22
  pick
• 10:22
  up
• 10:23
  the
• 10:23
  piano,
• 10:24
  if,
• 10:25
  if
• 10:25
  you
• 10:25
  play
• 10:26
  it
• 10:26
  once,
• 10:26
  you'll
• 10:27
  progress
• 10:27
  a
• 10:27
  certain
• 10:27
  amount.
• 10:28
  If
• 10:28
  you're
• 10:28
  playing
• 10:28
  it
• 10:29
  Every
• 10:29
  day
• 10:29
  you'll
• 10:29
  progress
• 10:30
  another
• 10:30
  amount,
• 10:31
  right?
• 10:31
  Same
• 10:31
  thing
• 10:31
  with
• 10:32
  whatever
• 10:32
  we
• 10:32
  do
• 10:33
  physically.
• 10:34
  That
• 10:35
  isn't
• 10:35
  to
• 10:35
  say
• 10:37
  in
• 10:38
  general,
• 10:39
  whatever
• 10:39
  the
• 10:39
  movement
• 10:40
  is,
• 10:40
  doing
• 10:40
  it
• 10:40
  daily.
• 10:41
  We
• 10:41
  want
• 10:41
  to
• 10:41
  attune
• 10:42
  to
• 10:42
  a
• 10:43
  certain
• 10:43
  align,
• 10:45
  connecting
• 10:45
  to
• 10:45
  the
• 10:45
  breath
• 10:46
  and
• 10:46
  the
• 10:46
  intention.
• 10:48
  And.
• 10:48
  And
• 10:48
  there
• 10:49
  is
• 10:49
  definitely,
• 10:50
  Anthony,
• 10:50
  that
• 10:51
  play
• 10:51
  of
• 10:51
  the
• 10:51
  flexibility
• 10:52
  of
• 10:52
  the
• 10:53
  mind
• 10:53
  and
• 10:53
  the
• 10:54
  body.
• 10:54
  So
• 10:55
  we
• 10:55
  very
• 10:56
  much
• 10:56
  mirror
• 10:56
  ourselves
• 10:57
  in
• 10:57
  these
• 10:57
  different
• 10:58
  regards
• 10:59
  of,
• 10:59
  oh,
• 11:00
  if
• 11:00
  I'm
• 11:01
  feeling
• 11:02
  resistance
• 11:03
  in
• 11:03
  this
• 11:03
  forward
• 11:04
  fold,
• 11:05
  for
• 11:05
  example,
• 11:07
  where
• 11:07
  in
• 11:07
  my
• 11:08
  life
• 11:08
  am
• 11:09
  I
• 11:09
  having
• 11:10
  resistance
• 11:11
  and
• 11:11
  flexibility
• 11:13
  of
• 11:14
  maybe
• 11:15
  releasing
• 11:16
  something?
• 11:17
  So
• 11:17
  the
• 11:17
  forward
• 11:17
  fold
• 11:18
  is
• 11:18
  an
• 11:19
  energetic
• 11:20
  bowing
• 11:21
  down
• 11:22
  or
• 11:22
  a
• 11:22
  surrender
• 11:23
  of
• 11:23
  some
• 11:23
  regard.
• 11:24
  So
• 11:24
  you
• 11:24
  might
• 11:24
  think,
• 11:25
  okay,
• 11:25
  energetically,
• 11:26
  is
• 11:26
  there
• 11:26
  a
• 11:26
  place
• 11:27
  in
• 11:27
  my
• 11:27
  life
• 11:28
  where
• 11:28
  I'm
• 11:28
  resisting
• 11:29
  letting
• 11:29
  go,
• 11:29
  Where
• 11:30
  I'm
• 11:30
  thinking
• 11:30
  that
• 11:31
  I
• 11:31
  need
• 11:31
  to
• 11:31
  control
• 11:32
  and
• 11:32
  micromanage
• 11:33
  something
• 11:34
  and
• 11:35
  then
• 11:35
  what
• 11:35
  ends
• 11:35
  up
• 11:36
  happening?
• 11:36
  And
• 11:37
  I
• 11:37
  see
• 11:37
  this
• 11:37
  a
• 11:37
  lot
• 11:38
  with
• 11:38
  clients.
• 11:39
  We'll
• 11:39
  actually
• 11:39
  be
• 11:40
  in
• 11:40
  a
• 11:40
  conversation
• 11:41
  for
• 11:41
  a
• 11:42
  fair
• 11:42
  bit
• 11:42
  of
• 11:42
  the
• 11:42
  session
• 11:43
  before
• 11:43
  we
• 11:43
  even
• 11:44
  move
• 11:44
  into
• 11:44
  the
• 11:44
  physical
• 11:45
  practice.
• 11:46
  Because
• 11:46
  all
• 11:47
  of
• 11:47
  the
• 11:48
  monkey
• 11:48
  mind
• 11:49
  chatter
• 11:49
  that
• 11:49
  is
• 11:50
  going
• 11:50
  on
• 11:50
  is
• 11:50
  definitely
• 11:51
  a
• 11:52
  big
• 11:52
  part
• 11:53
  of
• 11:53
  the
• 11:54
  physical
• 11:54
  tightness.
• 11:56
  There's
• 11:57
  that
• 11:58
  old
• 11:58
  adage,
• 11:59
  the
• 11:59
  issues
• 12:00
  get
• 12:00
  stored
• 12:00
  in
• 12:01
  the
• 12:01
  tissues.
• 12:02
  So
• 12:03
  if
• 12:03
  you
• 12:04
  have
• 12:04
  a
• 12:04
  lot
• 12:04
  of
• 12:04
  tightness
• 12:05
  in
• 12:05
  your
• 12:05
  hamstrings,
• 12:07
  oftentimes
• 12:08
  we
• 12:08
  think,
• 12:08
  okay,
• 12:08
  I
• 12:09
  have
• 12:09
  to
• 12:09
  just
• 12:09
  yank
• 12:10
  my
• 12:10
  foot
• 12:10
  and
• 12:11
  really
• 12:11
  push
• 12:12
  myself
• 12:13
  into
• 12:13
  this
• 12:13
  flexibility.
• 12:14
  But
• 12:15
  intelligently,
• 12:16
  we
• 12:16
  actually
• 12:16
  want
• 12:17
  to
• 12:17
  strengthen
• 12:18
  the
• 12:18
  opposing
• 12:19
  muscles.
• 12:20
  So
• 12:20
  in
• 12:20
  this
• 12:20
  particular
• 12:21
  case,
• 12:21
  it
• 12:21
  would
• 12:22
  be
• 12:22
  strengthening
• 12:22
  your
• 12:23
  quadriceps,
• 12:23
  the
• 12:24
  front
• 12:24
  of
• 12:24
  the
• 12:25
  thighs.
• 12:25
  Right.
• 12:26
  And
• 12:26
  so
• 12:27
  there's
• 12:28
  so
• 12:28
  much
• 12:29
  to
• 12:30
  be
• 12:30
  mined
• 12:31
  here.
• 12:31
  So
• 12:32
  if
• 12:32
  you
• 12:32
  were
• 12:32
  in
• 12:32
  a
• 12:33
  seated
• 12:33
  position,
• 12:34
  try
• 12:35
  to
• 12:35
  lift
• 12:35
  your
• 12:35
  leg
• 12:36
  off
• 12:36
  of
• 12:36
  the
• 12:37
  ground,
• 12:37
  keeping
• 12:37
  a
• 12:38
  really
• 12:38
  nice,
• 12:38
  strong,
• 12:40
  erect
• 12:40
  spine,
• 12:41
  and
• 12:42
  then
• 12:42
  come
• 12:42
  into
• 12:42
  the
• 12:43
  forward
• 12:43
  fold.
• 12:43
  So
• 12:44
  you,
• 12:44
  like,
• 12:44
  cramp
• 12:44
  up
• 12:45
  your
• 12:45
  quads
• 12:45
  like
• 12:45
  crazy,
• 12:46
  and
• 12:46
  then
• 12:47
  you
• 12:47
  pacify
• 12:47
  the
• 12:48
  hamstrings.
• 12:49
  And
• 12:49
  that
• 12:49
  has
• 12:49
  a
• 12:50
  really
• 12:50
  great
• 12:51
  interplay
• 12:51
  with
• 12:51
  the
• 12:52
  emotional
• 12:52
  piece.
• 12:53
  Right?
• 12:53
  So
• 12:54
  if.
• 12:54
  If
• 12:54
  I'm
• 12:55
  resisting
• 12:56
  letting
• 12:56
  go
• 12:57
  something,
• 12:57
  I
• 12:58
  can't
• 12:58
  just
• 12:58
  say,
• 12:59
  oh,
• 12:59
  I'm
• 12:59
  just
• 13:00
  gonna
• 13:00
  let
• 13:00
  it
• 13:00
  go,
• 13:01
  right?
• 13:01
  When
• 13:02
  people
• 13:02
  tell
• 13:02
  you
• 13:02
  calm
• 13:03
  down,
• 13:03
  isn't
• 13:03
  that
• 13:03
  like
• 13:04
  the
• 13:04
  best
• 13:04
  thing?
• 13:04
  Oh,
• 13:05
  okay,
• 13:06
  let
• 13:06
  me
• 13:06
  just.
• 13:06
  Let
• 13:06
  me
• 13:07
  just
• 13:07
  go
• 13:07
  ahead
• 13:08
  and
• 13:09
  calm
• 13:09
  down.
• 13:10
  Usually
• 13:11
  what
• 13:11
  is
• 13:12
  most
• 13:12
  helpful
• 13:12
  is
• 13:13
  actually
• 13:13
  to
• 13:13
  exhaust
• 13:14
  ourselves.
• 13:16
  So
• 13:16
  maybe
• 13:16
  it's
• 13:17
  an
• 13:17
  exercise
• 13:17
  of
• 13:18
  playing
• 13:18
  the
• 13:18
  worst
• 13:18
  case
• 13:19
  scenario,
• 13:20
  or
• 13:20
  maybe
• 13:20
  it's
• 13:21
  taking
• 13:21
  yourself
• 13:21
  for
• 13:22
  a
• 13:22
  run,
• 13:23
  or
• 13:23
  maybe
• 13:23
  you
• 13:24
  take
• 13:24
  yourself
• 13:25
  to.
• 13:26
  You
• 13:26
  know,
• 13:27
  I
• 13:27
  love
• 13:27
  this
• 13:28
  exercise,
• 13:28
  which
• 13:29
  people
• 13:29
  always
• 13:29
  think,
• 13:29
  this
• 13:30
  is
• 13:30
  so
• 13:30
  funny
• 13:30
  because
• 13:30
  I
• 13:31
  appear
• 13:31
  that
• 13:31
  I'm
• 13:31
  always
• 13:32
  joyful.
• 13:32
  I
• 13:32
  also
• 13:33
  have
• 13:33
  anger.
• 13:34
  You
• 13:34
  know,
• 13:34
  I
• 13:35
  experience
• 13:35
  the
• 13:35
  whole
• 13:36
  array
• 13:37
  of
• 13:37
  emotions
• 13:38
  is,
• 13:38
  I'll
• 13:39
  get
• 13:39
  in
• 13:39
  my
• 13:39
  car,
• 13:39
  I'll
• 13:40
  turn
• 13:40
  the
• 13:40
  music
• 13:40
  up
• 13:41
  as
• 13:41
  loud
• 13:41
  as
• 13:41
  possible
• 13:41
  and
• 13:42
  I'll
• 13:42
  scream
• 13:43
  until
• 13:43
  my
• 13:44
  whole
• 13:44
  body
• 13:44
  shakes.
• 13:45
  Right.
• 13:47
  Okay.
• 13:47
  I
• 13:47
  can
• 13:47
  feel
• 13:47
  a
• 13:47
  lot
• 13:48
  calmer
• 13:48
  once
• 13:48
  I,
• 13:49
  like,
• 13:49
  really
• 13:50
  like
• 13:50
  express
• 13:51
  that.
• 13:51
  And
• 13:52
  so
• 13:52
  it's
• 13:53
  creating
• 13:54
  context
• 13:54
  where
• 13:55
  we
• 13:55
  can
• 13:55
  actually
• 13:56
  fully
• 13:56
  express
• 13:58
  the
• 14:01
  end
• 14:01
  range
• 14:02
  of
• 14:03
  strength
• 14:04
  or
• 14:04
  flexibility,
• 14:06
  like
• 14:06
  the
• 14:06
  end
• 14:06
  range
• 14:07
  of
• 14:07
  whatever
• 14:07
  the
• 14:07
  emotions
• 14:08
  that
• 14:08
  we're
• 14:08
  trying
• 14:09
  to
• 14:09
  metabolize
• 14:10
  so
• 14:10
  that
• 14:11
  when
• 14:11
  we
• 14:11
  can
• 14:11
  come
• 14:11
  back,
• 14:12
  we
• 14:13
  realize,
• 14:13
  oh,
• 14:14
  okay,
• 14:15
  flexibility
• 14:16
  isn't
• 14:18
  necessarily,
• 14:19
  oh,
• 14:19
  I
• 14:19
  can
• 14:20
  put
• 14:21
  my
• 14:21
  head
• 14:22
  to
• 14:22
  my
• 14:22
  knee
• 14:23
  in
• 14:23
  a
• 14:23
  seated
• 14:23
  forward
• 14:24
  fold,
• 14:24
  although
• 14:25
  that's
• 14:25
  part
• 14:25
  of
• 14:26
  it.
• 14:26
  But
• 14:27
  what
• 14:27
  tends
• 14:27
  to
• 14:28
  happen
• 14:28
  is
• 14:28
  when
• 14:29
  we
• 14:29
  can
• 14:30
  be
• 14:30
  more
• 14:30
  flexible
• 14:31
  in
• 14:31
  the
• 14:31
  emotional
• 14:32
  and
• 14:32
  the
• 14:32
  spiritual
• 14:32
  realm,
• 14:33
  then
• 14:33
  we
• 14:34
  realize
• 14:34
  the
• 14:34
  body
• 14:35
  acquiesces
• 14:36
  as
• 14:36
  a
• 14:37
  result
• 14:37
  or
• 14:37
  maybe
• 14:38
  in
• 14:38
  tandem
• 14:39
  to
• 14:40
  the
• 14:40
  other
• 14:41
  sort
• 14:41
  of
• 14:41
  gripping.
• 14:42
  So
• 14:43
  it's,
• 14:43
  it's
• 14:44
  a
• 14:44
  really
• 14:44
  great
• 14:46
  mind
• 14:47
  quandary
• 14:48
  to
• 14:48
  be
• 14:49
  exploring
• 14:50
  in
• 14:50
  the,
• 14:51
  in
• 14:51
  the
• 14:51
  daily
• 14:51
  rhythms.
• 14:52
  Sure.
• 14:53
  We
• 14:53
  have
• 14:53
  to
• 14:53
  take
• 14:53
  a
• 14:53
  short
• 14:54
  break.
• 14:54
  I'm
• 14:54
  Anthony
• 14:55
  Wright
• 14:55
  and
• 14:55
  I
• 14:55
  am
• 14:56
  your
• 14:56
  co
• 14:56
  host
• 14:56
  on
• 14:56
  the
• 14:56
  Living
• 14:57
  Conversation
• 14:57
  with
• 14:58
  Adam
• 14:58
  Dietz.
• 14:59
  Thanks
• 14:59
  for
• 14:59
  joining.
• 15:00
  And
• 15:00
  we're
• 15:01
  talking
• 15:01
  with
• 15:01
  our
• 15:01
  guest,
• 15:02
  Veronic
• 15:02
  Ore.
• 15:03
  And
• 15:04
  how
• 15:04
  can
• 15:04
  people
• 15:04
  contact
• 15:05
  you,
• 15:05
  Veronica?
• 15:06
  Yes,
• 15:06
  I'd
• 15:07
  love
• 15:07
  to
• 15:07
  contact
• 15:08
  with
• 15:09
  everyone.
• 15:10
  I'm@yogawithveranique.com
• 15:13
  and
• 15:14
  you
• 15:14
  can
• 15:14
  learn
• 15:14
  about
• 15:14
  my
• 15:15
  offerings
• 15:15
  there.
• 15:15
  You
• 15:16
  can
• 15:16
  connect
• 15:16
  with
• 15:16
  me
• 15:16
  on
• 15:17
  Instagram,
• 15:17
  Aronique
• 15:18
  Ori
• 15:19
  and
• 15:19
  would
• 15:20
  love
• 15:20
  to
• 15:20
  be
• 15:21
  in
• 15:21
  a
• 15:21
  conversation.
• 15:24
  Great.
• 15:24
  We're
• 15:24
  going
• 15:25
  to
• 15:25
  take
• 15:25
  a
• 15:25
  short
• 15:25
  break
• 15:25
  and
• 15:25
  be
• 15:26
  right
• 15:26
  back,
• 15:26
  so
• 15:26
  stay
• 15:27
  tuned.
• 15:27
  I'm
• 15:28
  Anthony
• 15:28
  Wright
• 15:28
  and
• 15:29
  I
• 15:29
  am
• 15:29
  your
• 15:29
  co
• 15:29
  host
• 15:30
  today
• 15:30
  on
• 15:30
  the
• 15:31
  Living
• 15:31
  Conversation
• 15:31
  with
• 15:32
  Adam
• 15:33
  Dietz.
• 15:33
  Welcome.
• 15:34
  And
• 15:34
  we're
• 15:34
  talking
• 15:35
  with
• 15:35
  the
• 15:37
  yoga
• 15:38
  teacher
• 15:38
  named
• 15:38
  Veronik
• 15:39
  Ore.
• 15:39
  And
• 15:40
  Veronik,
• 15:42
  before
• 15:42
  the
• 15:43
  break,
• 15:43
  you
• 15:43
  were
• 15:43
  talking
• 15:43
  about
• 15:45
  expressing
• 15:47
  oneself
• 15:47
  in
• 15:48
  a
• 15:49
  broad
• 15:50
  context
• 15:51
  and
• 15:52
  that
• 15:53
  one
• 15:53
  of
• 15:53
  the
• 15:54
  ways
• 15:54
  to
• 15:56
  relieve
• 15:57
  stress
• 15:57
  is
• 15:58
  to
• 15:58
  do
• 15:58
  a
• 15:58
  counterbalance.
• 16:01
  Can
• 16:01
  you
• 16:01
  talk
• 16:01
  a
• 16:01
  little
• 16:02
  bit
• 16:02
  more
• 16:02
  about
• 16:02
  that?
• 16:03
  And
• 16:03
  then,
• 16:03
  Adam,
• 16:03
  I'd
• 16:03
  be
• 16:04
  interested
• 16:04
  in
• 16:04
  what
• 16:05
  your
• 16:05
  thoughts
• 16:05
  are.
• 16:06
  Yeah,
• 16:08
  I
• 16:08
  think
• 16:08
  what's
• 16:08
  so
• 16:09
  wild,
• 16:09
  I
• 16:10
  don't
• 16:10
  know
• 16:11
  if
• 16:11
  you
• 16:12
  had
• 16:12
  similar
• 16:13
  upbringings,
• 16:13
  but
• 16:15
  there's
• 16:16
  this
• 16:16
  notion
• 16:16
  of
• 16:17
  not
• 16:18
  having
• 16:18
  a
• 16:18
  tantrum.
• 16:19
  Right.
• 16:20
  You're
• 16:20
  at
• 16:21
  the
• 16:21
  grocery
• 16:21
  store,
• 16:22
  you
• 16:22
  want
• 16:22
  the
• 16:22
  cookies
• 16:23
  so
• 16:23
  badly,
• 16:24
  and
• 16:25
  your
• 16:25
  caregiver
• 16:26
  is
• 16:26
  like,
• 16:27
  calm
• 16:27
  down,
• 16:28
  don't
• 16:28
  make
• 16:28
  a
• 16:29
  scene.
• 16:29
  You
• 16:29
  know,
• 16:30
  and
• 16:30
  we
• 16:31
  carry
• 16:31
  these
• 16:31
  different
• 16:32
  things
• 16:32
  with
• 16:32
  us,
• 16:33
  of
• 16:34
  having
• 16:34
  to
• 16:34
  be
• 16:35
  contained.
• 16:36
  And
• 16:37
  when
• 16:37
  you
• 16:37
  think
• 16:38
  about
• 16:38
  the
• 16:38
  human
• 16:38
  body,
• 16:39
  that's
• 16:39
  mostly
• 16:40
  water
• 16:41
  and
• 16:41
  a
• 16:42
  contained
• 16:43
  kind
• 16:43
  of
• 16:43
  water.
• 16:44
  It's
• 16:44
  the
• 16:45
  quality
• 16:45
  of
• 16:45
  ice.
• 16:46
  Right.
• 16:47
  It's
• 16:47
  tight,
• 16:48
  it's
• 16:48
  constricted,
• 16:49
  it
• 16:49
  takes
• 16:50
  up
• 16:50
  little
• 16:50
  space
• 16:52
  and,
• 16:53
  and
• 16:53
  the
• 16:53
  quality
• 16:54
  that
• 16:54
  feels
• 16:55
  peaceful
• 16:55
  to
• 16:56
  me,
• 16:56
  that
• 16:57
  feels
• 16:57
  expansive,
• 16:58
  that
• 16:59
  feels
• 17:00
  calm.
• 17:01
  That's
• 17:01
  the
• 17:01
  quality
• 17:02
  of
• 17:02
  steam,
• 17:03
  right?
• 17:03
  So
• 17:03
  it's
• 17:04
  that
• 17:04
  opposite
• 17:04
  of
• 17:05
  it's.
• 17:05
  It's
• 17:06
  so
• 17:06
  hot
• 17:07
  that
• 17:07
  it
• 17:07
  turns
• 17:08
  water,
• 17:09
  where
• 17:10
  you
• 17:11
  almost
• 17:11
  really
• 17:11
  can't
• 17:12
  see
• 17:12
  it
• 17:12
  with
• 17:12
  the
• 17:12
  human
• 17:13
  eye.
• 17:14
  And
• 17:14
  so
• 17:14
  I
• 17:14
  think
• 17:14
  about
• 17:15
  that
• 17:15
  in
• 17:15
  different
• 17:15
  contexts
• 17:16
  of
• 17:16
  the
• 17:16
  ways
• 17:17
  that
• 17:17
  we
• 17:18
  might
• 17:18
  be
• 17:18
  an
• 17:19
  ice
• 17:19
  energy,
• 17:19
  or
• 17:20
  we
• 17:20
  might
• 17:20
  be
• 17:20
  in
• 17:21
  steam
• 17:21
  steam,
• 17:21
  or
• 17:22
  we're
• 17:22
  that
• 17:23
  calm
• 17:23
  body
• 17:24
  of
• 17:24
  water,
• 17:24
  or
• 17:24
  we're
• 17:25
  like
• 17:25
  in
• 17:25
  the
• 17:25
  middle
• 17:26
  of
• 17:26
  the
• 17:26
  ocean
• 17:26
  of
• 17:27
  tumultuous
• 17:28
  uproar.
• 17:30
  And
• 17:31
  when
• 17:31
  we
• 17:32
  can
• 17:32
  think
• 17:32
  about
• 17:32
  that
• 17:33
  in
• 17:33
  terms
• 17:33
  of
• 17:34
  the
• 17:34
  way
• 17:35
  in
• 17:35
  which
• 17:35
  we're
• 17:35
  experiencing
• 17:36
  the
• 17:36
  world.
• 17:38
  So
• 17:38
  the
• 17:38
  person
• 17:38
  cuts
• 17:39
  you
• 17:39
  off.
• 17:40
  How
• 17:41
  are
• 17:41
  you
• 17:41
  expressing
• 17:43
  your
• 17:43
  water
• 17:43
  energy?
• 17:45
  How
• 17:46
  would
• 17:46
  you
• 17:46
  like
• 17:46
  to
• 17:47
  express
• 17:47
  it?
• 17:47
  And
• 17:48
  sometimes
• 17:48
  we
• 17:49
  almost
• 17:49
  have
• 17:49
  to
• 17:49
  play
• 17:50
  those
• 17:50
  extremes
• 17:53
  to
• 17:53
  be
• 17:53
  able
• 17:54
  to
• 17:54
  feel
• 17:54
  it
• 17:55
  on
• 17:56
  a
• 17:56
  very
• 17:57
  granular
• 17:57
  level
• 17:58
  of,
• 17:59
  okay,
• 17:59
  do
• 18:00
  I
• 18:00
  want
• 18:00
  to
• 18:03
  roll
• 18:03
  my
• 18:03
  window
• 18:04
  down,
• 18:05
  scream
• 18:05
  at
• 18:05
  this
• 18:06
  person,
• 18:07
  make
• 18:07
  a
• 18:07
  big
• 18:08
  scene?
• 18:08
  Do
• 18:08
  I
• 18:09
  want
• 18:09
  to
• 18:10
  in
• 18:11
  the
• 18:11
  middle
• 18:11
  of
• 18:11
  the
• 18:11
  grocery
• 18:12
  store,
• 18:12
  they
• 18:12
  don't
• 18:12
  have
• 18:13
  the
• 18:13
  thing
• 18:13
  that
• 18:13
  I
• 18:13
  came
• 18:14
  for,
• 18:14
  throw
• 18:15
  myself
• 18:15
  on
• 18:15
  the
• 18:15
  ground
• 18:16
  and
• 18:16
  have
• 18:16
  a
• 18:16
  big
• 18:17
  tantrum
• 18:19
  sometimes,
• 18:20
  right?
• 18:21
  And
• 18:23
  oftentimes
• 18:23
  it's
• 18:24
  like,
• 18:24
  oh,
• 18:24
  no,
• 18:24
  I
• 18:25
  have
• 18:25
  to
• 18:25
  bottle
• 18:25
  this
• 18:25
  up.
• 18:27
  And
• 18:27
  we
• 18:27
  do
• 18:27
  that
• 18:28
  in
• 18:28
  context
• 18:29
  with
• 18:29
  strangers.
• 18:30
  But
• 18:30
  probably
• 18:31
  most
• 18:31
  hazardous
• 18:32
  is
• 18:32
  we
• 18:32
  do
• 18:33
  that
• 18:33
  with
• 18:33
  our
• 18:33
  loved
• 18:34
  ones.
• 18:35
  We
• 18:35
  do
• 18:35
  this
• 18:36
  in
• 18:36
  romantic
• 18:37
  relationships.
• 18:38
  We
• 18:38
  do
• 18:38
  this
• 18:38
  with
• 18:39
  our
• 18:39
  parents,
• 18:40
  with
• 18:40
  our
• 18:40
  kids,
• 18:41
  with
• 18:42
  whoever
• 18:42
  it
• 18:42
  is
• 18:42
  that
• 18:43
  we
• 18:43
  actually
• 18:43
  love
• 18:44
  with
• 18:44
  our
• 18:45
  hearts
• 18:45
  and
• 18:45
  our
• 18:45
  souls.
• 18:47
  And
• 18:48
  because
• 18:48
  we're
• 18:49
  never
• 18:49
  arriving
• 18:50
  in
• 18:51
  that
• 18:51
  beginner's
• 18:51
  mind,
• 18:52
  we're
• 18:53
  always
• 18:53
  showing
• 18:54
  up
• 18:54
  with
• 18:54
  the
• 18:54
  baggage
• 18:55
  of,
• 18:56
  you
• 18:56
  know,
• 18:57
  depending
• 18:57
  on
• 18:57
  your
• 18:57
  belief
• 18:58
  system,
• 18:59
  all
• 19:00
  that
• 19:00
  you've
• 19:01
  experienced
• 19:01
  in
• 19:02
  this
• 19:02
  life,
• 19:02
  never
• 19:03
  mind
• 19:03
  the
• 19:03
  generations
• 19:04
  before
• 19:04
  you,
• 19:05
  never
• 19:05
  mind
• 19:06
  past
• 19:06
  lives
• 19:07
  and
• 19:07
  all
• 19:08
  of
• 19:08
  the
• 19:08
  intergenerational
• 19:09
  trauma.
• 19:09
  And
• 19:10
  we're
• 19:10
  all
• 19:10
  showing
• 19:10
  up
• 19:10
  with
• 19:11
  these,
• 19:11
  like,
• 19:11
  you
• 19:11
  know,
• 19:12
  massive
• 19:13
  suitcases
• 19:14
  or
• 19:14
  maybe
• 19:15
  these,
• 19:15
  like,
• 19:15
  very
• 19:16
  aerodynamic
• 19:17
  roller
• 19:17
  bags
• 19:18
  and
• 19:18
  it.
• 19:18
  And.
• 19:19
  And
• 19:19
  so
• 19:20
  we're
• 19:21
  actually
• 19:21
  never
• 19:21
  seeing
• 19:22
  anything
• 19:23
  very
• 19:24
  clearly
• 19:25
  unless.
• 19:26
  And
• 19:27
  this
• 19:27
  is
• 19:27
  really
• 19:27
  important
• 19:28
  in
• 19:28
  terms
• 19:28
  of.
• 19:29
  Of
• 19:29
  the
• 19:30
  approach
• 19:30
  of.
• 19:31
  Of
• 19:32
  really
• 19:32
  embracing
• 19:33
  this
• 19:33
  beginner's
• 19:34
  mind.
• 19:34
  I
• 19:35
  love
• 19:35
  how
• 19:35
  this
• 19:35
  theme
• 19:35
  just
• 19:36
  keeps
• 19:36
  kind
• 19:36
  of
• 19:36
  like
• 19:36
  weaving
• 19:37
  in,
• 19:38
  is,
• 19:39
  what
• 19:39
  if
• 19:39
  I
• 19:39
  didn't
• 19:39
  know
• 19:40
  what
• 19:40
  you
• 19:40
  were
• 19:40
  going
• 19:40
  to
• 19:40
  say?
• 19:42
  What
• 19:42
  if
• 19:43
  I
• 19:43
  didn't
• 19:43
  know
• 19:44
  what
• 19:44
  my
• 19:45
  limitations
• 19:45
  were?
• 19:46
  What
• 19:46
  if
• 19:46
  I
• 19:47
  didn't
• 19:47
  know
• 19:49
  that
• 19:50
  I
• 19:51
  could
• 19:51
  do
• 19:51
  this
• 19:52
  or
• 19:52
  I
• 19:52
  couldn't
• 19:52
  do
• 19:53
  that
• 19:53
  or
• 19:54
  where
• 19:54
  I
• 19:54
  would
• 19:54
  live
• 19:55
  next
• 19:55
  week?
• 19:56
  What
• 19:56
  if
• 19:57
  all
• 19:57
  of
• 19:57
  these
• 19:57
  things
• 19:58
  are
• 19:58
  actually
• 20:00
  very
• 20:00
  temporary
• 20:01
  and
• 20:02
  moment
• 20:02
  to
• 20:02
  moment,
• 20:04
  hand
• 20:04
  to
• 20:04
  heart,
• 20:05
  connection
• 20:05
  to
• 20:05
  the
• 20:05
  breath
• 20:06
  to
• 20:06
  spirit,
• 20:09
  there's
• 20:10
  that
• 20:10
  space
• 20:11
  of
• 20:12
  steam,
• 20:12
  like
• 20:12
  energy,
• 20:15
  where
• 20:16
  I
• 20:16
  think
• 20:16
  of
• 20:17
  that
• 20:17
  as
• 20:17
  like
• 20:17
  you
• 20:17
  have
• 20:18
  your
• 20:18
  own
• 20:18
  superhero
• 20:19
  cloak
• 20:20
  where
• 20:20
  the
• 20:20
  things
• 20:21
  are
• 20:21
  happening,
• 20:22
  but
• 20:22
  the
• 20:23
  reactivity
• 20:24
  is
• 20:25
  minimal.
• 20:26
  Not
• 20:26
  to
• 20:26
  say
• 20:27
  that
• 20:27
  you're
• 20:27
  not
• 20:28
  affected
• 20:29
  by
• 20:29
  anything.
• 20:30
  Certainly
• 20:31
  we
• 20:31
  all
• 20:31
  have
• 20:32
  our
• 20:32
  edges.
• 20:32
  And
• 20:33
  depending
• 20:33
  on,
• 20:33
  you
• 20:34
  know,
• 20:34
  if
• 20:34
  we've
• 20:34
  eaten
• 20:35
  recently
• 20:35
  or
• 20:37
  we've
• 20:37
  moved
• 20:38
  our
• 20:38
  bodies,
• 20:38
  we've
• 20:39
  connected
• 20:39
  to
• 20:39
  nature,
• 20:40
  if
• 20:40
  we're
• 20:40
  in
• 20:41
  the
• 20:41
  northern
• 20:41
  hemisphere
• 20:42
  in
• 20:42
  the
• 20:42
  dead
• 20:42
  of
• 20:43
  winter.
• 20:43
  Right.
• 20:44
  There
• 20:44
  are
• 20:44
  different
• 20:44
  things
• 20:45
  that
• 20:45
  we
• 20:45
  are
• 20:46
  kind
• 20:46
  of
• 20:46
  pushed
• 20:47
  to
• 20:47
  our
• 20:47
  edge
• 20:48
  and.
• 20:49
  And
• 20:49
  yet
• 20:51
  are
• 20:51
  we
• 20:52
  allowing
• 20:53
  for
• 20:54
  sacred
• 20:54
  space
• 20:55
  to
• 20:55
  tend
• 20:56
  to
• 20:57
  the
• 20:57
  practices
• 20:58
  that
• 20:58
  actually
• 20:59
  resource
• 21:00
  us
• 21:01
  so
• 21:01
  that
• 21:01
  when
• 21:02
  we
• 21:02
  arrive
• 21:03
  to
• 21:04
  whatever
• 21:05
  it
• 21:05
  is
• 21:06
  that
• 21:06
  we
• 21:07
  are
• 21:08
  sharing
• 21:08
  love
• 21:09
  and
• 21:09
  compassion
• 21:09
  and
• 21:10
  grace
• 21:10
  in
• 21:10
  that
• 21:10
  space?
• 21:14
  Yep.
• 21:14
  Adam,.
• 21:17
  So
• 21:17
  many
• 21:17
  things
• 21:17
  are
• 21:18
  coming
• 21:18
  up.
• 21:18
  It's
• 21:19
  very
• 21:19
  interesting
• 21:19
  what
• 21:19
  you're
• 21:19
  saying,
• 21:20
  and
• 21:20
  it
• 21:20
  really
• 21:21
  aligns
• 21:21
  with
• 21:21
  different
• 21:22
  philosophies,
• 21:23
  Socratic
• 21:24
  philosophy
• 21:24
  that,
• 21:24
  you
• 21:25
  know,
• 21:25
  nothing,
• 21:25
  Zen
• 21:26
  mind,
• 21:26
  beginner's
• 21:27
  mind,
• 21:27
  or
• 21:27
  some
• 21:27
  things
• 21:27
  that
• 21:27
  we
• 21:27
  go
• 21:28
  over
• 21:28
  in
• 21:28
  our
• 21:28
  podcast
• 21:29
  here
• 21:30
  and
• 21:30
  there.
• 21:31
  And
• 21:31
  it
• 21:31
  also
• 21:31
  reminds
• 21:32
  me
• 21:32
  of
• 21:32
  when
• 21:33
  we're
• 21:33
  first
• 21:33
  introducing
• 21:35
  critical
• 21:35
  thinking
• 21:35
  to
• 21:36
  101
• 21:36
  students.
• 21:38
  And,
• 21:38
  you
• 21:39
  know,
• 21:39
  part
• 21:39
  of
• 21:40
  it,
• 21:40
  one
• 21:40
  third
• 21:40
  of
• 21:40
  the
• 21:41
  class
• 21:41
  for
• 21:41
  me
• 21:41
  was
• 21:41
  a
• 21:41
  textbook.
• 21:42
  And
• 21:42
  the
• 21:42
  textbook
• 21:42
  saying,
• 21:43
  the
• 21:43
  reason
• 21:43
  why
• 21:44
  you
• 21:44
  choose
• 21:44
  critical
• 21:44
  thinking
• 21:45
  is
• 21:45
  so
• 21:45
  you
• 21:45
  can
• 21:45
  consciously
• 21:47
  make
• 21:47
  a
• 21:47
  good
• 21:47
  argument
• 21:48
  in
• 21:48
  your
• 21:48
  mind
• 21:48
  where
• 21:48
  you're
• 21:48
  choosing
• 21:49
  these
• 21:49
  beliefs,
• 21:49
  where
• 21:50
  you're
• 21:50
  choosing
• 21:50
  to
• 21:50
  respond
• 21:51
  in
• 21:51
  a
• 21:51
  certain
• 21:51
  way.
• 21:52
  So
• 21:53
  as
• 21:53
  you're
• 21:53
  speaking
• 21:54
  right
• 21:54
  now,
• 21:54
  one
• 21:55
  of
• 21:55
  the
• 21:55
  biggest
• 21:55
  things
• 21:55
  that's
• 21:55
  coming
• 21:56
  up
• 21:56
  for
• 21:56
  me
• 21:56
  is
• 21:56
  that,
• 21:57
  yes,
• 21:58
  we're
• 21:58
  complex.
• 21:59
  We
• 21:59
  could
• 22:00
  have
• 22:00
  this
• 22:00
  element
• 22:01
  of
• 22:01
  spiritual
• 22:02
  bypass
• 22:02
  almost
• 22:03
  where
• 22:03
  we
• 22:03
  have.
• 22:03
  We.
• 22:04
  We
• 22:04
  want
• 22:04
  to
• 22:04
  have
• 22:04
  a
• 22:05
  Zen
• 22:05
  mind,
• 22:05
  beginner's
• 22:06
  mind.
• 22:06
  We
• 22:06
  want
• 22:06
  to
• 22:06
  show
• 22:06
  up
• 22:06
  with
• 22:07
  compassion,
• 22:08
  but
• 22:08
  we're
• 22:08
  complex.
• 22:09
  We
• 22:09
  had
• 22:09
  a
• 22:10
  previous
• 22:10
  episode
• 22:10
  just,
• 22:11
  you
• 22:11
  know,
• 22:11
  a
• 22:11
  few
• 22:11
  weeks
• 22:12
  back
• 22:12
  where.
• 22:12
  Where
• 22:13
  anger
• 22:13
  was
• 22:13
  coming
• 22:14
  up,
• 22:14
  you
• 22:14
  know,
• 22:15
  and
• 22:15
  it
• 22:15
  was
• 22:15
  like
• 22:16
  this.
• 22:16
  There's
• 22:17
  certain
• 22:17
  situations
• 22:17
  that
• 22:18
  are
• 22:18
  going
• 22:18
  on
• 22:18
  in
• 22:18
  society
• 22:19
  that.
• 22:19
  That
• 22:20
  actually
• 22:20
  kind
• 22:20
  of
• 22:20
  call
• 22:21
  for
• 22:21
  a
• 22:21
  righteous
• 22:21
  anger.
• 22:23
  And
• 22:24
  the
• 22:24
  idea
• 22:25
  was,
• 22:25
  okay,
• 22:26
  we
• 22:26
  can't
• 22:27
  just
• 22:27
  bypass
• 22:28
  that.
• 22:28
  We
• 22:28
  have
• 22:28
  to
• 22:28
  channel
• 22:29
  that
• 22:30
  constructively
• 22:30
  because
• 22:31
  it
• 22:31
  was
• 22:31
  with
• 22:31
  a
• 22:32
  therapist.
• 22:32
  So
• 22:32
  we
• 22:32
  really
• 22:33
  needed
• 22:33
  to
• 22:33
  have
• 22:33
  some
• 22:33
  therapy
• 22:34
  around
• 22:34
  that.
• 22:35
  So,
• 22:35
  to
• 22:36
  me,
• 22:36
  my
• 22:36
  question
• 22:36
  is,
• 22:38
  do
• 22:38
  you
• 22:39
  think
• 22:39
  the
• 22:39
  key
• 22:39
  is
• 22:40
  to
• 22:40
  be
• 22:40
  able
• 22:40
  to
• 22:41
  create
• 22:41
  space
• 22:41
  in
• 22:41
  your
• 22:42
  own
• 22:42
  mind,
• 22:42
  to
• 22:42
  be
• 22:43
  able
• 22:43
  to
• 22:43
  choose
• 22:44
  when
• 22:44
  something
• 22:45
  arises,
• 22:45
  whether
• 22:45
  you
• 22:46
  use
• 22:46
  it
• 22:46
  or
• 22:47
  not?
• 22:47
  Is
• 22:47
  that
• 22:48
  a
• 22:48
  way
• 22:48
  of
• 22:48
  looking
• 22:48
  at
• 22:48
  it?
• 22:49
  Mm,
• 22:50
  yeah.
• 22:51
  You
• 22:51
  know,
• 22:51
  it's.
• 22:53
  So
• 22:53
  I
• 22:53
  used
• 22:53
  to
• 22:53
  have
• 22:54
  a
• 22:55
  French
• 22:55
  bulldog,
• 22:56
  Boston
• 22:56
  terrier
• 22:57
  mix,
• 22:57
  and,
• 22:58
  you
• 22:58
  know,
• 22:58
  this
• 22:58
  kind
• 22:59
  of,
• 22:59
  like,
• 22:59
  smushy
• 23:00
  face
• 23:00
  dog.
• 23:01
  And
• 23:02
  I
• 23:02
  would,
• 23:03
  you
• 23:03
  know,
• 23:03
  say
• 23:03
  in
• 23:03
  jest
• 23:04
  that
• 23:04
  he's
• 23:05
  appropriately
• 23:06
  worried.
• 23:07
  You
• 23:07
  know,
• 23:10
  like,
• 23:10
  if
• 23:10
  you're
• 23:10
  not
• 23:11
  angry
• 23:11
  and
• 23:11
  worried
• 23:12
  right
• 23:12
  now,
• 23:13
  you're
• 23:13
  probably
• 23:14
  not
• 23:14
  paying
• 23:14
  attention.
• 23:14
  There's
• 23:15
  a
• 23:15
  lot
• 23:15
  to
• 23:15
  be
• 23:15
  pissed
• 23:16
  off
• 23:16
  about.
• 23:18
  However,
• 23:18
  are
• 23:19
  we
• 23:19
  holding
• 23:20
  that
• 23:20
  and
• 23:21
  is
• 23:21
  it
• 23:21
  causing
• 23:21
  a
• 23:22
  Cancer
• 23:22
  inside
• 23:23
  of
• 23:23
  our
• 23:24
  minds,
• 23:24
  in
• 23:24
  our
• 23:25
  bodies
• 23:25
  and
• 23:25
  our
• 23:25
  spirit.
• 23:26
  I
• 23:26
  had
• 23:27
  a
• 23:27
  dear
• 23:28
  friend
• 23:28
  that
• 23:29
  was
• 23:29
  just
• 23:30
  torn
• 23:31
  up
• 23:31
  about
• 23:31
  the
• 23:32
  state
• 23:32
  of
• 23:32
  the
• 23:32
  world
• 23:33
  was,
• 23:34
  you
• 23:34
  know,
• 23:36
  marriage
• 23:36
  was
• 23:37
  not
• 23:38
  doing
• 23:38
  well,
• 23:39
  work
• 23:39
  wasn't
• 23:39
  doing
• 23:40
  well.
• 23:41
  He
• 23:42
  put
• 23:42
  on
• 23:42
  a
• 23:43
  bunch
• 23:43
  of
• 23:43
  weight.
• 23:44
  There
• 23:44
  was
• 23:45
  like,
• 23:45
  a
• 23:45
  lot
• 23:45
  of,
• 23:47
  I
• 23:47
  can't
• 23:47
  be
• 23:47
  joyful
• 23:49
  when
• 23:50
  this
• 23:50
  is
• 23:50
  happening
• 23:51
  on
• 23:51
  the
• 23:51
  other
• 23:51
  side
• 23:51
  of
• 23:51
  the
• 23:52
  world.
• 23:53
  And
• 23:55
  I
• 23:56
  was
• 23:56
  trying
• 23:56
  to
• 23:57
  help
• 23:58
  him
• 23:58
  move
• 23:58
  through
• 23:59
  that,
• 24:01
  but
• 24:01
  he
• 24:01
  couldn't
• 24:01
  hear
• 24:02
  me.
• 24:03
  Right.
• 24:03
  Like,
• 24:03
  when
• 24:04
  you're
• 24:04
  seeing
• 24:04
  red
• 24:06
  and
• 24:07
  you're
• 24:07
  so
• 24:09
  just
• 24:10
  up
• 24:10
  in
• 24:11
  arms
• 24:11
  at
• 24:11
  the
• 24:12
  state
• 24:12
  of
• 24:12
  the
• 24:12
  world,
• 24:14
  it's
• 24:15
  hard
• 24:15
  to
• 24:15
  reach
• 24:15
  that
• 24:16
  person.
• 24:17
  Right?
• 24:18
  And
• 24:19
  one
• 24:19
  of
• 24:19
  the
• 24:19
  things
• 24:19
  that's
• 24:19
  being
• 24:20
  cultivated
• 24:20
  these
• 24:21
  days.
• 24:21
  Right?
• 24:23
  And
• 24:23
  so
• 24:24
  I
• 24:24
  think
• 24:24
  what's
• 24:24
  so
• 24:25
  important
• 24:25
  is
• 24:27
  what
• 24:27
  is
• 24:28
  the
• 24:28
  appropriate
• 24:28
  level
• 24:29
  for
• 24:29
  each
• 24:30
  person
• 24:31
  to
• 24:31
  be
• 24:32
  in
• 24:32
  the
• 24:32
  know?
• 24:35
  Is
• 24:35
  this
• 24:35
  helpful
• 24:36
  to
• 24:36
  you,
• 24:37
  to
• 24:38
  your
• 24:38
  family,
• 24:39
  to
• 24:39
  your
• 24:39
  community?
• 24:41
  Are
• 24:41
  you
• 24:41
  able
• 24:42
  to
• 24:42
  respond
• 24:43
  in
• 24:43
  a
• 24:44
  way
• 24:44
  that
• 24:44
  is
• 24:44
  shedding
• 24:46
  light?
• 24:46
  Not
• 24:47
  to
• 24:47
  spiritually
• 24:47
  bypass,
• 24:48
  as
• 24:48
  you're
• 24:49
  saying,
• 24:49
  Adam,
• 24:49
  but
• 24:50
  actually,
• 24:50
  how
• 24:51
  are
• 24:51
  you
• 24:51
  able
• 24:51
  to
• 24:51
  cultivate
• 24:52
  peace?
• 24:54
  Right.
• 24:54
  So,
• 24:55
  you
• 24:55
  know,
• 24:55
  there's
• 24:55
  that
• 24:56
  saying,
• 24:56
  you
• 24:56
  can't
• 24:56
  beat
• 24:58
  darkness
• 24:58
  with
• 24:59
  a
• 24:59
  baseball
• 25:00
  bat.
• 25:00
  You
• 25:00
  have
• 25:00
  to
• 25:01
  turn
• 25:01
  the
• 25:01
  light
• 25:01
  on.
• 25:03
  It's.
• 25:04
  It's
• 25:04
  so
• 25:05
  tempting
• 25:05
  to
• 25:06
  get
• 25:06
  into
• 25:06
  the
• 25:07
  shadow
• 25:07
  with
• 25:07
  people,
• 25:10
  even
• 25:10
  when
• 25:10
  someone
• 25:10
  agrees
• 25:11
  with
• 25:11
  you,
• 25:12
  right.
• 25:13
  It's
• 25:14
  very
• 25:14
  charging.
• 25:17
  And
• 25:17
  so
• 25:19
  what
• 25:19
  I
• 25:20
  recommend
• 25:22
  for
• 25:23
  anyone
• 25:23
  who's
• 25:24
  sensitive
• 25:24
  to
• 25:24
  this
• 25:25
  is
• 25:25
  to
• 25:26
  titrate
• 25:28
  what
• 25:28
  you're
• 25:29
  taking
• 25:29
  in
• 25:29
  in
• 25:30
  a
• 25:30
  dosage
• 25:32
  that
• 25:32
  you're
• 25:32
  able
• 25:32
  to
• 25:33
  metabolize,
• 25:35
  right?
• 25:35
  Like,
• 25:35
  as
• 25:35
  if
• 25:36
  you,
• 25:36
  like,
• 25:36
  had,
• 25:36
  like,
• 25:36
  a
• 25:36
  drip
• 25:37
  of
• 25:37
  media
• 25:38
  that
• 25:38
  you
• 25:38
  could
• 25:38
  dose,
• 25:39
  you
• 25:39
  know,
• 25:42
  in
• 25:42
  small
• 25:43
  increments.
• 25:44
  Because
• 25:46
  for
• 25:46
  most
• 25:46
  of
• 25:47
  us,
• 25:48
  it's
• 25:49
  too
• 25:49
  much.
• 25:51
  It's
• 25:51
  just
• 25:52
  too
• 25:53
  much.
• 25:55
  If
• 25:55
  you're
• 25:55
  about
• 25:55
  to
• 25:56
  book
• 25:56
  a
• 25:56
  plane
• 25:57
  ticket
• 25:57
  and
• 25:57
  be
• 25:58
  on
• 25:58
  the
• 25:58
  ground
• 25:58
  floor
• 25:59
  and
• 25:59
  be
• 26:00
  a
• 26:00
  force
• 26:00
  of
• 26:01
  peace
• 26:02
  somehow,.
• 26:05
  And.
• 26:06
  And
• 26:06
  you
• 26:06
  need
• 26:06
  this
• 26:07
  information
• 26:07
  in
• 26:08
  order
• 26:08
  to
• 26:10
  act
• 26:10
  in.
• 26:11
  In
• 26:11
  a
• 26:11
  way
• 26:11
  that's
• 26:12
  helpful.
• 26:12
  But
• 26:13
  if
• 26:13
  you're
• 26:13
  taking
• 26:14
  in.
• 26:15
  And
• 26:15
  you're
• 26:17
  in
• 26:17
  a
• 26:18
  state
• 26:19
  that
• 26:19
  is
• 26:20
  hazardous,
• 26:21
  which
• 26:22
  we
• 26:22
  can
• 26:23
  only
• 26:23
  discern
• 26:23
  that
• 26:24
  for
• 26:24
  ourselves,
• 26:25
  Right.
• 26:26
  Is
• 26:26
  this
• 26:26
  affecting
• 26:27
  your
• 26:28
  ability
• 26:29
  to
• 26:30
  experience
• 26:30
  joy?
• 26:32
  Is
• 26:32
  this
• 26:32
  affecting
• 26:33
  your
• 26:33
  experience,
• 26:35
  to
• 26:35
  experience
• 26:36
  pleasure?
• 26:38
  Because
• 26:39
  people
• 26:39
  are
• 26:39
  suffering
• 26:40
  and
• 26:40
  people
• 26:40
  will
• 26:40
  suffer.
• 26:42
  Historically,
• 26:44
  my
• 26:44
  prayer
• 26:45
  is
• 26:45
  that
• 26:45
  we
• 26:45
  can
• 26:46
  end
• 26:46
  suffering.
• 26:47
  My
• 26:47
  prayer
• 26:47
  is
• 26:47
  that
• 26:48
  we
• 26:48
  could
• 26:48
  have
• 26:48
  peace
• 26:48
  and
• 26:49
  harmony
• 26:49
  for
• 26:49
  all
• 26:50
  living
• 26:50
  beings.
• 26:52
  And
• 26:53
  also,
• 26:55
  if
• 26:55
  we're
• 26:55
  in
• 26:56
  a
• 26:56
  state
• 26:56
  where
• 26:57
  we're
• 26:58
  witnessing
• 26:58
  suffering
• 26:59
  happening,
• 26:59
  it
• 26:59
  could
• 26:59
  be
• 27:00
  in
• 27:00
  our
• 27:00
  local
• 27:00
  community.
• 27:01
  You
• 27:02
  know,
• 27:02
  like
• 27:02
  a
• 27:02
  good
• 27:02
  friend
• 27:02
  could
• 27:03
  call
• 27:03
  and
• 27:03
  say
• 27:04
  that,
• 27:04
  you
• 27:05
  know,
• 27:05
  their.
• 27:05
  Their
• 27:05
  father
• 27:06
  just
• 27:06
  passed
• 27:06
  away
• 27:07
  and
• 27:07
  they
• 27:07
  just
• 27:07
  lost
• 27:08
  their
• 27:08
  job,
• 27:08
  or,
• 27:09
  you
• 27:09
  know,
• 27:09
  whatever
• 27:09
  has
• 27:09
  happened,
• 27:11
  we
• 27:12
  can
• 27:12
  express
• 27:14
  love
• 27:14
  and
• 27:15
  healing
• 27:16
  for
• 27:16
  the
• 27:16
  person,
• 27:16
  for
• 27:17
  the
• 27:17
  people,
• 27:17
  whatever,
• 27:18
  whoever
• 27:18
  and
• 27:19
  whatever
• 27:19
  the
• 27:20
  circumstance
• 27:20
  is.
• 27:21
  And
• 27:21
  also,
• 27:22
  it's
• 27:22
  not
• 27:22
  ours
• 27:23
  to
• 27:23
  hold
• 27:25
  as
• 27:25
  if
• 27:25
  it's
• 27:25
  like
• 27:26
  our
• 27:26
  cross
• 27:26
  to
• 27:27
  bear.
• 27:28
  Yeah.
• 27:28
  Yeah.
• 27:29
  You
• 27:29
  can't
• 27:29
  be
• 27:29
  there
• 27:30
  for
• 27:30
  others
• 27:30
  if
• 27:30
  you
• 27:30
  can't
• 27:30
  be
• 27:30
  there
• 27:31
  for
• 27:31
  yourself.
• 27:31
  Right?
• 27:31
  Yep.
• 27:32
  We
• 27:32
  have
• 27:32
  to
• 27:32
  take
• 27:33
  a
• 27:33
  short
• 27:33
  break.
• 27:33
  I'm
• 27:34
  Anthony
• 27:34
  Wright
• 27:34
  and
• 27:34
  I
• 27:35
  am
• 27:35
  your
• 27:35
  co
• 27:35
  host
• 27:36
  today
• 27:36
  on
• 27:36
  A
• 27:36
  Living
• 27:37
  Conversation
• 27:37
  with
• 27:38
  Adam
• 27:38
  Dietz.
• 27:38
  Thanks
• 27:39
  for
• 27:39
  joining
• 27:39
  the
• 27:39
  conversation.
• 27:40
  We're
• 27:40
  here
• 27:40
  with
• 27:41
  our
• 27:41
  guest,
• 27:41
  Veronica
• 27:42
  Ore.
• 27:42
  And
• 27:43
  how
• 27:43
  can
• 27:43
  people
• 27:43
  contact
• 27:43
  you,
• 27:44
  Veronica?
• 27:45
  Yes,
• 27:45
  you
• 27:45
  can
• 27:45
  contact
• 27:46
  me
• 27:47
  via
• 27:47
  my
• 27:47
  website.
• 27:48
  I'm@yogawithvaranique.com
• 27:50
  also
• 27:51
  on
• 27:51
  Instagram,
• 27:52
  Veronik
• 27:53
  Ory.
• 27:53
  Please
• 27:53
  reach
• 27:54
  out.
• 27:54
  We'd
• 27:54
  love
• 27:54
  to
• 27:55
  be
• 27:55
  in
• 27:55
  the
• 27:55
  conversation.
• 27:56
  And
• 27:56
  your
• 27:57
  last
• 27:57
  name
• 27:57
  is
• 27:57
  O
• 27:57
  R
• 27:58
  Y?
• 27:58
  It
• 27:59
  is.
• 27:59
  Okay,
• 28:00
  we're
• 28:00
  going
• 28:00
  to
• 28:00
  take
• 28:00
  a
• 28:00
  short
• 28:01
  break
• 28:01
  and
• 28:01
  be
• 28:01
  right
• 28:01
  back.
• 28:02
  So
• 28:02
  stay
• 28:02
  tuned.